Osprey Diary, July 25, 2010

It is feeling warm here already…air still a time of writing…

Having been here for two hours all feels “normal”, although I did hear a tawny owl and saw a young song thrush as I walked down to the Visitors Centre this morn.

Two juvies were feeding upon my arrival. Were there two fish delivered, I did see two tails? I am hopeful that this is what occurred, for it does seem that the smaller youngster is not eating as much as we would like. Perhaps having a more bold attitude has rewards, at least when it comes to fresh fish. Less squawking and more action may be our advice. The “greedy” one has flown off a couple of times with fish to eat over the past few days. I hope that perching and eating were well accomplished, for this is another essential skill. Eating at the table (nest) is a luxury for these birds for only a limited time. Perhaps if “greedy” does this more frequently and “our” intrepid male provides a double order the smaller juvie will have time and space to eat.

So, without sounding too much like a cheer leader today let us hope that larger fish or a more bold attitude is the order of the day.

Yes, Mom, continues to preside over the Loch in fine form.

I will continue to work on Cam 2. 

I started with the word “normal”. I wonder if we will experience something not so today…Rinchen

141 Responses to “Osprey Diary, July 25, 2010”

  1. Ann B says:

    good morning Rinchen. I know one fish was delivered this morning but there may have been one much earlier. Mum brought one in btw. Not seen anybody at the nest for a wee while.

  2. Shelagh7Y says:

    Morning Rinchen – Thanks for the update. I too would like to see the wee ‘un be a bit more ‘pushy’, but who’s knows, he may suddenly wake up one morning and his fishing gene may have kicked in and some of his problems will be solved.

    • rboardman says:

      Shelagh7Y, we must bear in mind that the juvies required more food two or three weeks ago than they do now. Their growth rate has slowed some. However, it sounds as if we are on the same page. Rinchen

      • Shelagh7Y says:

        I desparately dont want him to become the 50% that nobody likes to think about – so I will be willing him on with all my might. As it stands at the moment, I feel chick 1 will do well, as it appears to have all the attributes of our female and that can only be for the good.

  3. Shelagh7Y says:

    Nuphar – Welcome back, I hadn’t realised you were back until last night – hope you had a good trip. I thought of you last Sunday night when I was watching what I have christened it, ‘the battle of the Blue Trout’. It lasted for well over two hours. I found it fascinating the way our female handled it in the end. I do hope you were able to witness it.

  4. nick gordon says:

    Morning Rinchen, it seems our ospreys are constantly pushing the boundaries of whatever passes for “normal”! So perhaps the answer to that lies with them!! :-)

  5. Cis says:

    Reading the LOTL blog on the RSPB site it looks as if both chicks got a fish each this morning and as chick 2 had to wait it got the second fish which was bigger. Obviously method in in his madness as he seemed to get the bigger fish the other day which came in later also.

  6. Margobird says:

    Just good morning rinchen and so pleased to see that the youngest has had a couple of fish to itself and one of them bigger than the eldest got. It is upsetting to watch the youngest calling for food but this is what happens and hopefully the youngest will eventually assert it self a bit more. Good morning all bloggers too.

  7. Jan(EC) says:

    Rinchen, good morning indeed, it was lovely to see both chicks eating, although I did not see how it happened. What birds did you have in view this morning at your breakfast table?

  8. Carolyn says:

    Good morning, Rinchen. Yes, I think our youngest will have to adopt a new strategy – maybe trying brains over brawn when it comes to securing a fish.

  9. Susan McVey says:

    Morning Rinchen and Best bloggers of the world,
    Great update Rinchen, thank you.
    It has been a hectic last couple of days, and trying to catch up with the blog has been a nightmare, especially at 2 ans 3 in the morning. But thank you all for great posts. Makes me feel if I am not missing out too much.
    This is me getting ready to go for lunch, then onto our weekend of concerts.
    Maddness were absolutely fantastic last night, and the crowds went wild. It was great.
    Today, it’s JLS, and loads of supporting acts. So here goes another day.
    So will catch up later tonight.
    P.S great camera work Rinchen, thank you.

    • MarjorieM says:

      I’m the same way, every day though! By the time I wake up half the day is gone at the Loch! I have to play catchup with the log! (But I do have some compensations: I often get to see the first fish delivery of the day, and last night I got to see the early sunlight making the chicks fairly glow in the nest before I went to bed…)

      Glad you are having a great time, I believe the Blockheads were supporting Madness. I wish I could have been there, I recently became an Ian Dury/ Blockheads fan and heard that the entire evening was great! RIP Ian, not the same without him but the Blockheads are a fabulous band. Hope you will have as much fun today!

  10. Lowry says:

    A message from my friend in Michigan, (imagesbyAudrey) Osprey Rescue.
    Please accept a huge Thank You from me for all the comments and emails I received this past week about the Osprey Rescue in Michigan.I have been touched deeply by everyone’s responses.
    On a happier note,we have one Osprey chick that has fledged and I hope to return to the nest area this coming week and see that the second Osprey chick is flying too!!We will then have a happy ending!!

    Again Thank You Everyone.

    Audrey.

    • rboardman says:

      Lowry, Cheers! Rinchen

      • Lowry says:

        Thanks Rinchen,
        Just been chatting with Audrey she has had 5800 hits on her site since I mentioned the Osprey chick rescue,she is thrilled to bits.

        Great that everything turned out well there.

    • eileen Isle of Wight says:

      Hi, I missed the site name and tried to re-read all the comments, to no avail. Would it be possible to post it again. Many Thanks.

    • eileen Isle of Wight says:

      Hi, Missed the site name first time round, tried to re-read the blogs but to no avail. Would it be possible to post it again? Many Thanks, to you and Audrey.

      • Lowry says:

        Hi Eileen,

        Here is the site for Osprey rescue pics imagesbyAudrey i’m sure you will enjoy seeing them.

  11. Carolyn says:

    The question of the retrieval of the eternal egg has come up today – this is how it may transpire:

    The Ballad of the Egg

    The lonely egg lay languishing in its eternal rest:
    A plan was hatched (unlike the egg) to fetch it from the nest.
    The team had a discussion – who would do the deed?
    Peter drew the short straw as “most likely to succeed.”

    He bravely took the challenge, and without further ado,
    Prepared himself for the task ahead by scoffing Irn Bru.
    They found a rusty ladder, which seemed to suit their needs,
    And tied it to the tree trunk, with Bella’s cast-off leads.

    His loyal team stood watching, as Pete began to climb;
    Emma said that she’d take notes, as fieldwork was her thing,
    Fiona shouted, “Break a leg!” — then wished she hadn’t spoken,
    And Bella frolicked happily amongst the broom and bracken.

    Rinchen said, “I’ll man the cam and catch you at the top”
    Pete warned, “Catch my best side, Rinch, or you’ll be for the chop!”
    As he plodded on and upwards, his legs began to tremble;
    He’d never had a head for heights – his resolve began to crumble.

    Just as he reached the half-way point, Bella found a squirrel -
    She chased it up that very tree, straight towards the middle.
    It sought the nearest shelter, and sadly for our Pete,
    Went shooting up his trouser leg and dug in with its feet.

    Pete gave out a mighty yell and cursed the little critter;
    The others watching down below tried valiantly not to titter.
    Just then the rain came thundering down, it really was a belter,
    The team yelled, “Mate, you’re on your own,” then dived inside for shelter.

    Poor Pete was tired and soaking wet, and getting ever wetter,
    And just as he’d convinced himself that things had to get better,
    He reached at last the ladder’s end and cried out in dismay -
    the nest loomed far above him, at least six feet away.

    Rinchen stepped outside the hide to see how Pete was coping.
    He yelled, “The ladder’s six feet short, methinks you have a problem!”
    Pete was not amused by this and shouted from the tree-top,
    “You’ve voiced the bleeding obvious, now chuck a sodding rope up!”

    Pete threw the rope twice round the Perch and tied it round his middle,
    Then Stephen, unaccountably, began to play the fiddle’
    The team came out and danced a jig in joy and jubilation,
    As, far above, their leader gnashed his teeth in sheer vexation

    He slowly pulled himself aloft, his head now fairly reeling,
    And there before him lay the egg, alone, and quite appealing.
    As he stretched his hand towards the cause of all he’d had to suffer,
    A great black crow came swooping by and snatched it for its supper.

    • Carolyn says:

      Oh my goodness – I didn’t realise it would take up so much space! May I just add, the above poem is entirely a product of the author’s imagination. Any resemblance to actual persons, living or dead, events or localities is entirely coincidental.

      • nick gordon says:

        CAROLYN – I’m in absolute bits!! That is hysterical, that’s me for the rest of the day now!! :-) :-)
        My imagination has that showing in grainy black and white at silly speed like a silent movie! lol No names changed to protect the innocent!! lol Poor Pete, first the beetle episode and now a squirrel up his breeks!! lol Priceless!!

      • jan says:

        Carolyn that is brilliant I am still laughing, certainly gets the imagination going. :-)

      • Chrissy Beahan says:

        Caroyn pet,,,

        Flippin fantastic pet,,,,

        OH my goodness pet, I’ve had to stop three of four times while reading to wipe my tears,,, O totally agree with our Nick and Cas,,, I’m in bits,,, I to have “Watched”,, this playing in my head,,, though the language I heard was a little riper from Peter when the squirrel did the unmentionable,,,,

        So so very funny pet,,, THAT HAS TO go into the book,,,, SHIRLEY PET,, are you around on Sunday’s ????

        brillian pet,,

        love
        Chrissy
        XXXXXX
        P.S. still laughing,,,,,

      • Lorna says:

        Carolyn, Thank you, that was well written and so funny, I laughed till the tears ran down my face. I have a vivid imagination and could actually see the action!! Just the thing I needed as it is so quiet without my Sister, who went home yesterday. Not a day went by without howls of laughter and innumerable giggles. Its a good job we don`t live close to each other, nothing would get done.
        14-45 One chick on the nest and calling and the Eternal Egg right up against a stick..Lots of Blogs to catch up on, and poems to read. We did look in every day, so had an idea of how things were developing. Hello , chick off on a flight. Quite windy there but dry. Lorna from Devon

      • Nuphar says:

        Carolyn, that is marvellous!! Pete actually does quite well at scaling heights but the next time he will tuck his breeks into his socks, just in case.

      • Tina says:

        Oh,Caroline,that was brilliant. Have only just got round to reading today’s blogs. My imagination ran away with yours and I’m lol.Pure brilliance!!

    • Cas,Fife says:

      I chuckled so much when reading this and could just picture it all, great work :)

    • Morag! says:

      Excellent! Much enjoyed.

    • Deirdre says:

      Carolyn thats fantastic another one for the archives even if it is all in your imagination!

    • Margobird says:

      Carolyn that was brilliant all on my own here but laughing my head off. Just wonderful.

    • joyce arnold says:

      in the great epic tradition and shatteringly funny…just when the squirrel went up the trouser leg. but our hero made it to the top!!!!! his sacred quest was a triumph, and if he was defeated in the end by “NATURE”, be it a crow or a tempest, he has still the stature of a hero. brilliant verse-making!!!

    • Shirley says:

      Another splendid poem Carolyn, would you mind if I included it in our Book of Dedication?

    • Ann B says:

      crikey thats a big one lol. But well worth it. Very funny :-)

    • Kath Roberts says:

      Absolutely fabulous. Made me laugh out loud :-)

    • AnnS says:

      What can I say !! Am still laughing !!!!!1

    • Jacqueline says:

      Carolyn, that was great – I think we could all visualise the antics. A bit of light relief never goes a miss. Thank you – must go in the book!

    • Elaine Ellor says:

      My sides are splitting and everyone at my work are wondering what has tickled me, but I’ll have to keep it to myself as I’m not supposed to have my phone on me. If oh they knew what they’re missing.

    • eileen Isle of Wight says:

      Fantastic, read it three times now,
      have to keep going back to it.
      Funny…Funny…Funny, love it.

    • Elaine Ellor (Bathgate) says:

      Carolyn, that is brilliant, i read it during a quiet moment at my work, which, looking back In hindsight was not a good idea (we are not supposed to have our phones one us) my sides were splitting and the tears were flowing down my cheeks, everyine in the office was wondering what was so funny, but of course i couldn’t tell them, and the more they kept asking the worse i was getting, i had to keep myself really busy afterwards because everytime i thought of it i set of again. i know they think im a little bit strange for sitting at home and waching “BIRDS”, but now they think im really cracking up, thank you, I havent laughed like that in ages.

      from a batty old BIRD woman. x

      • Carolyn says:

        Elaine, I do hope your boss doesn’t send you for a psychiatric assessment because of your strange behaviour! I wouldn’t want to feel responsible for that. I’m glad it gave you a good laugh – the best medicine.

    • Jean A. says:

      Brilliant! If Robert Service was alive he’d be turning in his grave!

      • Hel, Edinburgh says:

        LOLOLOLOLOL! So funny Carolyn, I nearly snorted coffee all over the keyboard at the thought of a squirrel running up Peter’s trouser leg. Fantastic!

    • fiona, osprey HQ says:

      Carolyn, just read this after I was informed of it. Brilliant! I’m going to print it off and give a copy to the staff!

  12. Sandra Clark says:

    Afternoon Rinchen, bloggers et al! Thank you for the great camera work….I just switched on to see the camera following the “landing” of both chicks and Lady on the next about ten minutes ago! They were all making a racket….looking for lunch maybe…. or intruders? Mum flew off, and again the camera followed her to a tree on the left!
    Have a great day “watching” and “writing”
    Sandra

  13. Em says:

    Good Afternoon Team and blog people. Going back to the discussion on osprey survival rates. Does anyone know if the turbines on wind farms pose a threat to Ospreys and other large Raptors?

    • Chrissy Beahan says:

      Sorry Em pet,,,

      I don’t know that answer,, i think thats’s one for our Technical Team pet,,

      I’m sure they will have all the stats for you,,

      love
      Chrissy
      XXXXX

    • eileen Isle of Wight says:

      Wasn’t there an eagle or red kite, sliced to bits in Scotland, about 3 weeks ago. You won’t hear of the damage done by wind turbines….they don’t want to outrage us, bird lovers.
      I’d ban all wind turbines…..they are bird killers.
      Anyway, who wants to view those ugly structures, in our/your beautiful country.

  14. Jenny C, Castle Douglas says:

    Back from a week away in Garlieston, near Wigtown, Dumfries & Galloway. I spotted someone had blogged re Ospreys in D & G. Whilst away I visited the Town Hall in Wigtown, they have a super visitor centre on the top floor with three TV screens devoted to the local Osprey nests, the live ones are tuned into a nest with three chicks, who didn’t appear whilst I was there! The other one was a re-run of previous filming.

    From what I understand the first nest they had the camera on had a disaster when an intruder (Osprey?) kicked out all three eggs, is this normal behaviour sometimes Richen? They quickly transfered the camera to the current nest. They had printed newsheets of all that has happened at Loch of the Lowes and Garten and two other nests, which were very interesting. A lovely centre.

    Hope to see what is happening to the family of Ospreys at Threave Castle, Castle Douglas this week, they have three chicks, will report back on these.

    • rboardman says:

      Jenny, occassionally, male osprey will do as you described if they have not found a partner. A very similar incident occurred at Aberfoyle this year. Generally, pairing occurs successfully. Rinchen

  15. Jenny C, Castle Douglas says:

    Sorry, spelt your name wrong, Rinchen. x

  16. Peggy Gibson, NC USA says:

    good morning ,,,,did i just see one of the youngens fly in with a fish???? very good job on his (her) part. they have been screeching ever since i got on here. was 3 on the nest at one time and then the mom flew off. I am enjoying this very much and thank all of you at the Loch for your updates each day and for all the bloggers,,,very good info from them. wish i was there lol

    • rboardman says:

      Peggy, the juvie that had taken a delivery from the male earlier returned with the fish. Perhaps it was full (this bird has been eating plenty) or was not able to find the appropriate perch to eat or perhaps even dropped it…a visitor confirmed that the juvie did not pick anything out of the water. Rinchen

  17. Peggy Gibson, NC USA says:

    maybe we should name them Needy and Greedy,,,lol

  18. Cas in fife says:

    I missed being here yesterday as I wasn’t well but had a few thoughts

    Some call me a nest, others an eyrie
    I’ll tell you this, i’m growing so weary
    I feel helpless and just a pile of sticks
    Couldn’t be more of a home if built from bricks
    I’ve provided refuge from wind and rain
    The branches below have taken the strain

    Time will soon be here when no longer needed
    Natures call to migrate by the family heeded
    Only a few weeks to feel the weight of 4
    Til one day soon into the skies will soar
    The empty nest syndrone I do so dread
    I’ve loved my time, being used as a bed

    Hope the young one grows stronger so will survive
    Learns the skill of fishing, how to duck and dive
    To watch him bring out a trout that’s alive
    Oh to see with him 1. 2 or even 5
    Cause we know “greedy guts” grabs each catch
    It’s sibling knows in this it can never match

    Next year I long to raise another brood
    I can’t grant wishes , if only I could
    I’d want only good things and nothing bad
    Only happy thoughts and nothing that’s sad
    In a few weeks our family must and will depart
    Never fear cause you’ll forever have a place in our heart

    • nick gordon says:

      Love it, Cas, hope you’re feeling better. Yet another angle covered, well done :-)

    • Carolyn says:

      Brilliant, Cas – that’s the first poem penned from the nest’s point of view! Let’s face it, without it we would be deprived of this glorious experience. I’m now feeling sorry for a nest, for goodness sake!

      • eileen Isle of Wight says:

        feeling sorry for the nest….that’s tickled me, got the giggles now!!

    • Chrissy Beahan says:

      Cas pet,,,,,

      First,, I hope your felling a little better today,, and lovely to have you back,,,,

      This is a wonderful poem,, it’s such an unusual slant coming from a nest’s point of view,, but so, so true isn’t it,,,

      If only a nest could talk,, wouldn’t we all be better off knowing all the inside gossip,,

      brilliant pet,, so well done,,,,

      Cricky our book is going to be so full,,,

      love
      Chrissy
      XXXXXXX

    • jan says:

      Cas another gem, there are so many fantastic poems, I cant remember has anyone written one about “our” fantastic dad?

      • nick gordon says:

        Hi Jan, you’re right, we’ve overlooked Frank a little, so with that in mind………………

        FRANK’S RANT

        Well all you blogging poets
        You’ve really made me mad
        All these odes to the wife and kids
        What about dear dad?!

        I’ve worked my osprey butt off
        Bringing all the fish
        To keep my family growing
        And grant your fervent wish

        I’ve chased off all invaders
        And taught the kids to fly
        But still there’s not a written word
        I can only wonder why?

        I know you have the talent
        I’ve seen all your good work
        Is it ‘cos when i arrived
        You thought me such a berk?!

        But i’ve surely changed your minds now
        I’ve really done the “biz”
        I’ll even teach the kids to fish
        I’m really such a “whizz!”

        So put your pens to paper
        And come up with a rhyme
        I know i’m daft, and make you laugh
        But that’s surely not a crime?!

        So come on guys, my name is Frank
        And i can’t be all that bad
        You’ve even said it all yourselves
        You’ve called me SUPERDAD!!

        Thanks for the challenge Jan!! lol :-)

      • Cas,Fife says:

        I’ve had two good laughs today with these funny poems, just been a real tonic :) Love the heading too lol can just see him ruffling his feathers as if to say, anything you can do I can do better :) It’s another brilliant one from you xx

      • Jacqueline says:

        That’s a great one, Nick – is there something about this site which has turned us all into poets – they are getting better and better.

      • eileen Isle of Wight says:

        That’s really nice, Nick.
        I think all the poems on this site, have been awesome, as the kids say nowadays!
        Each one of you could write your own book of poetry or pros.
        Beautiful.

      • Carolyn says:

        See my comment below, Nick (at 7.13pm)

      • Chrissy Beahan says:

        Hi Nick pet,,,,

        Brillliant pet,,,

        OH DEAR !!!

        We have left our Laird out haven’t we,, shame on us,, and after all he has done this season too,,,

        love
        Chrissy
        XXXXXXXXX

      • Shirley says:

        Great – well done Nick! Inspiration abounds!

    • Margobird says:

      Cas lovely poem and hope you are feeling better today. If as they think Lady will not return next year we have to hope that another pair will set up home here to give us more wonderful viewing. Having said that I feel very sad that after this season we mayl not see Lady again.

    • Margaret says:

      Cas, What a lovely poem, I have spent a lot ot time thinking about Lady and what will happen if she does not return next year, how sad it will be, but then I think of all the memories she will have left us with and the many many chicks she has reared. It could well be that the next osprey that will eventualy take up this site could well be one of Ladys offspring, although we will never know for sure but just the thought that it could be fills me with awe and wonderment. But one thing is for sure know matter what happens, Lady will always be in out hearts and never be forgotten.

    • joyce arnold says:

      ballad of “the double bed” nest :-)
      a gallant and poetic heart beats amongst those sticks and mosses.

    • Shirley says:

      Hi Cas, how lovely, thank you for sharing this with us. I would like to include it in the book if you are agreeable? Would you like to give it a title or may I call it THE EYRIE?

      • Cas,Fife says:

        Thanks to all for the good wishes. I am feeling much better thanks and food staying down today , just eating small light meals for today.
        Shirley I too would feel honoured to have the poem included but I feel the same as before, if space is limited i’d be only too happy for a more worthy poem to have it’s rightful place as there has been some ” crackers” written :) Sorry I keep forgetting to give the poems a wee title and The Eyrie is perfect, giving it a regal heading which befits our Lady :) Thanks x

      • Shirley says:

        Cas – ALL of the poems deserve a place in the Book of Dedication, we will only ever have this one chance to put it together. These are our thoughts, a moment in time for each and every one of us and a piece of our future history in respect of our Lady. In many years time you will be telling your children or grandchildren the story of her and wouldn’t it be nice to pick out an old book from your bookshelf and show them just how much she was loved and respected.

        Would this have ever happened if Lady had not fallen so ill?

    • Elaine Ellor (Bathgate) says:

      Well done Cas what a lovely twist you put on the nest.

      • Elaine Ellor (Bathgate) says:

        Nick, another funny poem, I’m so glad i waited till i got home to read it, what tallented bloggers we have on this web site.

  19. Chrissy Beahan says:

    Afternoon Rinchen pet, and our wonderful watchers too,,,,

    Is any day “Normal”,, pet,,

    I’ve read back on all the posts of yeaterday late night and today’s,,,,

    I noticed a comment for Ann B,,, sating I to noticed something,,, I’m lost, not sure what she or you are looking for pet ???? Tweek my memory please,,,,,,,

    I ‘ve seen so many different and wonderful things and can’t remember them all off the top of my head,,, but a little jab in the side would help,,,,[ I have sort term memory loss with this blooming M.E. ]

    I’ve seen our boy do some odd things though,, he likes to sit on the branch right in front of the cam from time to time now,,, though he fell off again yesterday lunchtime,, silly boy,,, and he does have his little quirk of “Bark Dancing”, too,, what that’s all about I don’t have a clue,,, he picks up in his beak the large piece of bark, shakes his head while holding it and then stomps several times with his feet,, then drops the bark and walks away,,, I’ve seem him to do it 4 times now,, he may of done it more times when I’ve not been on to watch,,,,

    I think it’s his dummy you know,,,

    I see both our kids calling for a food drop,,, or is it a competition to see who cam call the loudest ???

    love
    Chrissy
    XXXXXXXX

    • Carolyn says:

      Chrissy, the piece of bark is maybe his ‘comforter’, like a teddy bear for a human child – on the other hand, he could be imagining it’s his sister and venting his frustration on it!

      • Carolyn says:

        I’m with you on that one, Nuphar – see the second part of my comment above, albeit written in a flippant way! JOYCE – I’m also interested in that piece about the similarities between animal and human behaviour. It’s been documented that animals and birds can exhibit obsessive compulsive traits, and here is an amusing example of such behaviour: the observer noted that a goose which he studied used to enter his house, walk a few steps past the stairs in the hall, then would turn back and climb up the stairs. On one occasion, as he watched, the goose entered the house and began climbing the stairs without the usual preamble at the bottom. Half-way up it came to an abrupt halt, gave out a loud, anxious honk, turned and rushed down the stairs again, carried out its ritualistic few steps to the right, then continued up the stairs again. Perfect example of compulsive behaviour which, when not carried out ‘properly’, can cause stress to both humans and animals!

    • joyce arnold says:

      i think amimal behaviorists might guess that because of his frustration at feeding, always watching the other get 90% of the food, that this is a neurotic adaptation like superstition or magic. he treats the bark as if it were fish, HIS fish. he shakes it. he stamps his feet to hold it. just maybe….. a guess…….

      • joyce arnold says:

        i found a few words about skinners experiments with pidgeons in the 1940s:

        PostSubject: Re: The Third Basic Instinct Tue Feb 17, 2009 9:25 pm
        In The Third Basic Instinct, Alex Key makes a perceptive analogy between religious indoctrination and B.F. Skinner’s experiments with pigeons in the 1940s. The pigeons were put in a “Skinner Box” where they were free to do what hungry pigeons do, which is mostly to peck at anything that looks remotely like food. This particular box was arranged to randomly reveal a food pellet, regardless of what the pigeon was doing. In earlier experiments, pigeons had quickly learned to peck at various “triggers” in order to consistently get the food. Yet ironically, Skinner found that an inconsistent food reward was even better at eliciting a consistent pecking behavior. He eventually learned that the pigeon’s behavior was equivalent to what we call “superstition” in humans. Once they made an association between a particular behavior and a food blessing, they would repeat whatever bowing and bobbing and hopping dance that seemed to work in the past. What was surprising was that the bizarre behavior eventually became locked-in, regardless of the random reward schedule. The bird-brains would continue the fruitless dancing for thousands of repetitions, even with no reward at all. He observed that the pigeons were, in effect, praying to whatever gods may be, for another bite of the tasty tidbits. What originally began as pragmatic, goal-oriented activities, became frozen into pointless, pecking rituals.

        The author then compares the bird behavior to professional athletes, who wear the same lucky underwear for a full season, regardless of their spotty record of success, and amateur gamblers, who become addicted to rationalized repetitions in anticipation of unpredictable payoffs. The key in each case was a random reinforcement schedule. But the actual point of the analogy was to reveal how animal nature can be manipulated by events beyond their direct control to repeat an objectively ineffective action. As denoted by the title of the book, human nature is driven by the same basic instincts that cause ritualistic behavior in birds. And yet, in humans, we would call it religious behavior. Our superior brain-power doesn’t prevent the operant conditioning of the mind, but it does allow us to make-up elaborate stories to make sense of our otherwise irrational activities. God’s answers to prayer tend to fall into no particular order : No; no; no; no; yes; no; no; yes; maybe; no;no;no;no;no. If our paychecks were that unpredictable, we might begin to lose faith in the benevolence of the payer.

        Some Deists also have difficulty shedding the habit of praying to a remote, impersonal, faceless deity to violate He/r own rule of egalitarian, randomized providence, just this once, and grant them a little sign that the petitioner is special enough to receive a non-random, personal blessing. I can’t condemn such animal behavior, because I have been guilty myself. But a sign of a mature Deist would be to redirect the natural instinct for such symbolic rituals into more practical channels.

      • Nuphar says:

        Youi may well be right Joyce, but I have another theory, it is called displacement activity.

    • eileen Isle of Wight says:

      Yes, I think he’s just practising on it, as if it were a fish. (or building his future nest, nice to think he will) ;-)

  20. AnnS says:

    Good afternoon Rinchen and team. It’s breezy up there today! Thanks to everyone who got cameras working again. Lovely camera work and am watching the ‘juvies’ and the egg at the minute. Haven’t been able to see a lot the past few days(when camera working!) just popping in and out, missed the exciting moments of course. All great and appreciated. I get the gist by reading the blogs and your updates. Cheers and thanyou all.

  21. julie says:

    Hi Chrissy, not been on a lot for a few days, still worried about Flora and looking out for her.
    I have also seen ” boy ” do that bark dancing, it is quite funny though.
    Love
    Julie

    • Cas,Fife says:

      Hope Flora perks up soon and will enjoy nibbling away at food and being fussesd over too, i’m sure it will take time to adjust to the changes…. stay strong Julie xx

    • Jill(E) says:

      Julie – good to hear from you – I’m sure Flora will perk up soon with your continued loving care – nothing will make up for your loss but you can comfort each other and try to feed her titbits and treats until her appetite returns – its quite amazing how animals pick up on bereavement. Hope you manage to get to Dungeness again soon and maybe see the Purple Heron chicks! Let me know if you do. Take care and keep strong …Jill

    • Chrissy Beahan says:

      Hi Julie pet,,,,,

      It is so worrying isn’t it,, Flora will come round pet,, honest,, just give her time,, she is drinking you said,,, and eating the odd little tit bit too,,, love is the only answer at the moment i tihnk pet,,,though I know your already doing that in buckets loads,, BUT your not Molly,,, have you got anything smelly of Molly’s with her sent on it,,, or something that they both shared together and you can put into Flora’s bed,,, I really can’t think of anything else to suggest pet,, time is the only answer pet,,,,I just wish there was a simple solution,,,,

      Thinking of you and little flora pet,,,

      love
      Chrissy
      XXXXXXX

  22. May H says:

    Hi Jenny C
    Thanks very much for your info. I didn’t make it to Creetown this weekend, not too well. Our caravan
    is just a few miles from Garlieston. I didn’t know anything about Ospreys until I found this website
    and visited Dunkeld. Another incentive to take me to D & G.

  23. Margaret says:

    Hi Rinchen, all the osprey team and bloggers. What a wonderfully warm day. Thank you Rinchen for another informative update, I have just seen the egg on the nest and it looked like might have a crack in it, or is it just some bark on it, what do you think?

  24. Martha, USA says:

    Good afternoon, Blog People,

    It has been good to read the posts and to learn that things are as normal as possible at the nest and that everyone seems to be getting fed.

    Maybe our little chick is more like his dad than his mom–a bit slow to catch on to things, but when he does, he surpasses expectations? I’m going to choose to believe that anyway.

    I hope all remains calm at the Loch and that everyone has a peaceful Sunday.

    Take care,

    Martha

  25. zoe howard says:

    Can the team tell me if Ospreys pair for life, only replacing a mate if the previous one dies?

    • Nuphar says:

      That is the idea, Zoe. They stay faitfhful to the nest site and hang on for about two weeks if their mate does not home in in spring and only then will they accept or attract another passing mate, like the female did this year when her longterm mate Green B did not come back.

    • rboardman says:

      zoe, I may have answered already, at least I started and perhaps got waylaid with my answer. Generally they do mate for THEIR life, sometimes the female may stir up the pot a little and mate with a different partner even if the “usual” mate returns. The “usual” partner then moves on. Rinchen

  26. Chrissy Beahan says:

    Oh Dear,,,,

    Rinchen pet,, you have to make a trip to the Chemist,, one of our teenagers has a very crocky voice at the moment pet,,Been shouting far to much,,,

    Needs a fish stuffed with lemon and honey and maybe a large tot of single malt,, or would you rather have the latter pet,,

    love
    Chrissy
    XXXXXX

  27. Sheona S says:

    Both youngsters on the nest just now. They are having a calling competition – see who can call for fish the loudest!!

    Carolyn – brilliant poem, and I cant think that there is anyone who could possibly think the names relate to anyone that we know LOL!!

    Thank you Rinchen for the cam work and all the answers to our questions. Hope you’ve had another busy day with lots of visitors visiting “our” ospreys.

    I can’t help thinking back to the very beginning of this season- I was surprised and delighted that our Lady of the Loch returned for yet another year. She has given us another season of ups, downs and lots of surprises. Whatever may happen in the future, she has been one brilliant osprey.

  28. Chrissy Beahan says:

    Greedy Guts get the fish again,,,

    Though it’s so small,, it’s only a hole filler,, till the proper meal arrives,,,, maybe ???

    love
    Chrissy
    XXXXXX

  29. MarjorieM says:

    Nice to see Cam2 up and running, lots of activity at the feeder just now!

  30. SandraB says:

    Come on dad please bring a decent sized fish pleeezzzz!!!!

    • rboardman says:

      SandraB, cheer louder!!!! I think that they are bringing in smaller fish to allow the young to have the skills to eat properly. A large pike would be a strong match, even for “greedy”. Rinchen

      • SandraB says:

        I know you said in your blog about cheer leaders lol.
        Hope you have a good night you deserve it. Sandra

  31. Em says:

    Hi Chrissy – re the wind turbines, thanks for the link. I was thinking about it because there is a newish wind farm near me and I’m not that far from Dunkeld. But we also have an osprey nest on top of a pylon nearby so if they can avoid the hazards around that, they should be able to survive the wind turbines. It would just be interesting to know if anyone has recent data on the subject.

    • Ann B says:

      i believe that turbines are a factor in red kites deaths. :-(

    • Chrissy Beahan says:

      Hi Em pet,,,,,

      Your welcome pet,,

      I think it’s more the samller birds that are at risk pet,, the bird that migrate in flocks,, Opsreys fly on their own,, and reading back from past years mirgations,, if anything static get in their way they either fly higher or around it with their fabulous eyesight,,,
      Though saying that,, in the States there have been Eagles that have collided with a Turbine, I think they said 4 in one year,,, Oregon, I think it was pet,, BUT please don’t take my word for it, I could well be wrong,,,,

      love
      Chrissy
      XXXXXXXX

  32. zoe howard says:

    Thanks for the answer to my “mate” question.
    So, it seems that the nest is under female control and when Lady no longer needs it, one of her breeding-age daughters might claim it?

    • rboardman says:

      zoe, perhaps an offspring may breed here, they have been seen in previous years. However, any strong mature adult may have other thoughts…Rinchen

  33. Carolyn says:

    Hi, everyone, sorry I haven’t replied to all your comments about poor Pete’s ordeal, but we’ve just come back from Balgavies loch, where we had a lovely walk. I’m glad it made you titter! You’re all very kind. Shirley, if you can fit my poem into the ever expanding book, I’d be happy to have it included. I just hope that Pete doesn’t sue!

    • Shirley says:

      Thanks Carolyn, it really is a great poem. It’s going into the book to be preserved for posterity. See my reply above to Cas! I feel that ALL of our entries are worthy of inclusion, this is a little piece of history, Lady in herself is indeed a wonderful specimin of an osprey. She never ceases to amaze us, so who knows, she may just decide to make it back to us next year, but in the meantime, this is a very special dedication to her as we only have this chance and this time to put our current thoughts onto paper so why not?

  34. Carolyn says:

    I’ve just been reading all the blogs I’ve missed – NICK, that’s a great tribute to our unsung hero, you’ve done him proud! And Jan was right, there were no poems directly dedicated to him before now, although he has been mentioned in quite a few. Thanks on his behalf!

    • Shirley says:

      Yes, he definately deserved one of his own and who better to see it from a bloke’s point of view than Nick!

  35. granny Rosi & the grandkids says:

    Didn’t get to see any of the Ospreys yesterday at all, we were out all day, so it was a thrill to come back to our caravan this evening to see both chicks on the nest. I’ll need to catch up with the blogs at home. We had a great morning at a wood near Dundee called Templeton Wood, we were so lucky to see 4 red squirrels. Then later on we went to Camperdown Park (Dundee) and watched a great show, 2 young buzzards flying roght above us, they kept circling and calling. We also got 13 geocaches. That’s what I call a good day.

  36. Anne says:

    Looks like “greedy” has struck lucky, eating for all she’s worth, while the other cries in the background…..

  37. Cas,Fife says:

    HI wondered if someone can say if our youngster has ate anything apart from what was eaten this morning? I’ve been on a few times and each time have only seen the one eating, your heart just aches watching the young one standing there just waiting for another fish he can call his own

  38. Cas,Fife says:

    Cam 1 down 20;13 hope it’s only temp

  39. Lorna Gibbon says:

    Both cams appear to be down again – or is it my PC? They were working fine earlier!

  40. Carolyn says:

    Looks like the cam’s deserted us again. I think there’s a gremlin hiding in the centre who pops out at night when they’ve all gone home.

  41. jan says:

    Nick – nice one, :-) :-) thanks, I cant write poetry to save my life. So glad so many of you can. This is going to be a brilliant book.

  42. Linda Bristol says:

    Good evening bloggers and Team

    Cam 1 its not working wanted to see what our wonderful Osprey are up to. Been out all day and wanted to know all the gossip decided to go straight to Comments. You have made my day had a real good laugh with all the poem/verses, it’s such a pleasure to read, can’t believe we have so many poetic bloggers in our midst.

    I have told everyone at work of the on-goings with our Osprey family and each day they ask “how’s Lady” well I got them checking in themselves to see for them selves and to read your blogs, they did not believe me we had a talented following of bloggers. You are all famous without realizing it.

    The Loch of Lowes Team deserve recognition for their hard work in keeping us nature lovers up to date, your all mentioned by name here in the South West.

  43. Pip says:

    Nick Gordon – the “Whizz” sure has done the biz this year – Long Live the King

  44. Carolyn says:

    Cam’s back, but there’s no show from our ospreys.

  45. Lorna says:

    Cas and Nick, just logged on again, and found your poems. Great fun reading them. All quiet on the Osprey nest, and Owlets out on the tray. Lorna from Devon

  46. Sandra Clark says:

    Good morning everyone
    Looks like you have a sunny morning there at Lowes
    I just switched on and can see a white breast and a pair of feet perched on the edge of the nest….and the egg, of course! Not sure which Ospie it is! I wasn’t able to watch or blog much yesterday as my daughter and her boyfriend arrived from Yorkshire for a week’s holiday, so I was really surprised and delighted to turn on Cam 2 a moment ago and see the little red squirrel feeding at its box!

    What fantastic poems yesterday….again! Thanks to Carolyn; Nick; Cas….and if there is anyone else I have forgotten..my aplogies, but huge thanks anyhow! Britains’ got Talent…..it hasn’t a look in where our bloggers are concerned! Have a great day everyone!
    Sandra

  47. Cas,Fife says:

    morning one and all :) lovely to see the cam working again. Looks as if it’s going to be blue skies today, the sun has been trying to shine through the clouds since 6am. Wonder if the youngster has eaten?

  48. Wrinklie says:

    At least Lady is dishing this fish out and making sure titch gets some..

  49. Carolyn says:

    Big sis has taken the fish off to eat elsewhere. I wonder if she’s learnt to perch and eat successfully now. She’ll go far that girl! Now baby boy – just watch and learn. I would love for him to thrill us all by catching a fish before he migrates – that would put all our minds at rest about his chances of survival in the big wide world.

  50. rboardman says:

    SandraB, CHEERS! Rinchen

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